The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - Season 4 Episode 1: Matthew McConaughey

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This episode was recorded: 12/21/2020
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Matthew McConaughey (actor, producer, and best-selling author of Greenlights) sits down with Jordan B. Peterson to talk about Matthew’s new book, his upbringing, his relationships with his mother and father, his journey to being at peace with his fame, what it’s like to play malevolent or dark characters in movies or on television, and a surprising satirical review of Greenlights.
Find Matthew McConaughey on Twitter @McConaughey and on Instagram @officiallymcconaughey and basically anywhere. Check out his new book Greenlights, which has sold more than 1 million copies, available at
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's new book, Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life, is available for preorder now:
Show Notes:
[1:00] Jordan Peterson kicks off the conversation by asking why and how Matthew McConaughey wrote his book Greenlights.
[4:00] Matthew realized he needed to write the book himself without a ghostwriter as initially planned and dig back into his journals as a form of necessary reflection on the past.
[6:00] Matthew’s old journals revealed their common thread through all the stories, poems, and bumper stickers. That common thread was the creation of good things in life through mindset or action “Greenlights.”
[12:00] Jordan talks about his initial response after reading Matthew’s book and how his expectations were changed.
[14:00] Matthew talks about his solo trips when starting to create the structure of his book. Jordan comments that this was a book written by a celebrity that did not really focus on the traditional parts of being a celebrity (very family-focused and foundational). Matthew states, “When we were editing the book, I found that the more personal the stories became, the more relatable they seemed to become, to the human condition, and that was my hope.”
[18:00] Jordan and Matthew revisit the African trip, chasing dreams and having the same exact dream multiple times over the span of many years.
[24:00] What was the personal impact on Matthew during his trip to Africa where he got to strip away the identity we all know him for and exist as something else? Jordan comments that very often, people confuse their reputation with who they really are, and they start to act as a representation of their reputation instead of themselves; it’s an easy trap to fall into.
[22:00] Matthew discusses dealing with the pitfalls of fame. Matthew covers his changing relationship with his mother due to success.
[25:00] Jordan B. Peterson asks Matthew McConaughey about some of his acting work in True Detective and playing dark characters. “How do you play a dark role very well without letting the darkness invade you?”
[32:00] Matthew talks about the positive aspects of the sometimes tense relationship with his father and having a childhood that balanced love and hardship directed from the same people.
[37:00] Jordan and Matthew continue talking about going deeper into the psychology of a dark character like Rustin Cole on True Detective
[45:30] Matthew expanded on the short-term effects of initial fame.
[51:30] Matthew and Jordan discuss the long-term effects of fame.
[55:00] Jordan points out, “If flawed people were incapable of creativity, we would have no creativity.”
[1:03:00] How Matthew and Jordan first became friends.
[1:07:30] Matthew shares a comical review of his own book written as if Jordan was the one reviewing it.

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Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief:
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  • Matthew McConaughey’s new book Greenlights:

    Jordan B PetersonJordan B Peterson16 päivää sitten
    • Why not interview professor Dolores Cahill..... Someone actually doing something for the world..... World doctors alliance..... World freedom alliance..... Freedom airways.....

      Zee ManZee Man2 päivää sitten
    • 😒The biggest secret in Hollyweird is that they simply want their OLD LIVES BACK!!! Unfortunately the demon cabal doesn't allow THAT!!! ➡PSA-DON'T ALLOW YOUR KIDS IN HOLLYWEIRD-PERIOD-IT'S EVIL!!!

      Alissa SwoffordAlissa Swofford2 päivää sitten
    • ✔I'd NEVER want to be FAMOUS'-'NEVER!! ] How can you posdibly enjoy this?!!! ❓Don't you want to be LEFT ALONE?! BTW-ALL CONSERVATIVES WANNA BE LEFT ALONE DAMMIT!!!

      Alissa SwoffordAlissa Swofford2 päivää sitten
    • 💞I feel so bad for hollyweird-they've endured way more abuse than most of us have!!! My neighbors played that game & they all LOOK like clowns on TV!!! We all know that everyone who goes to hollyweird GETS ABUSED!!! They sell their souls & take the damn MONEY!!! ➡I /WE of CHRIST LOVE YOU MATTHEW!!! Please give up hollyweird & JOIN NORMAL LIFE!!! ➡I'm not kidding-go to the middle of nowhere & FIND YOURSELF!!!

      Alissa SwoffordAlissa Swofford2 päivää sitten
    • 💯We all have wet dreams my friend-my wet dreams are my guardian angels that comfort me when my soul is seeking comfort!!! It's happened all my life-it's when you learn to get real w/yourself & know who you are & what you truly want to be!!! Not sure if Matthew can escape the matrix but we're here for him if & when he does!!!💞

      Alissa SwoffordAlissa Swofford2 päivää sitten
  • I really enjoyed this podcast.

    NicolaiNicolai5 minuuttia sitten
  • What a wonderful conversation!

    Therese MillsTherese Mills45 minuuttia sitten
  • Thanks Jordan, It was an amazing podcast to listening to and thanks to bringing Matthew. And now I have new book to listen to so excited

    Rafi HannaRafi HannaTunti sitten
  • DJs are wetting themselves ripping the "Molly" (🇲🇱 Mali) segment of this interview 😆

    Ronald AckermanRonald Ackerman2 tuntia sitten
  • Be careful Matthew. The cancel culture is coming for you now. Anyone who thinks outside the square is a fascist apparently. God forbid we oppose totalitarianism and authoritarianism or MSM and the status quo. Gee whiz, we must be fascists lol or something like that.

    Robbie RudeRobbie Rude2 tuntia sitten
  • You both enlighten me. Thank you

    Ronald AckermanRonald Ackerman2 tuntia sitten
  • Is this a recent take? Does this mean you're back now or is it just a repost?

    Robbie RudeRobbie Rude2 tuntia sitten
  • this book was so cringey it reminded me of never sharing my journals with anyone, ever! I don´t believe Mr Peterson enjoyed this read.

    Juan PabloJuan Pablo3 tuntia sitten
  • What america needs now more than ever is newage, spirit-angel, wet dream, narcisistic, celebrity autobiography shilling. Thank you Jordan for wasting the time of two million people with your magnificently profound interview. Very different.

    gehstur !gehstur !4 tuntia sitten
  • Douche chills

    HSCT Mexico - Lauren's JourneyHSCT Mexico - Lauren's Journey4 tuntia sitten
  • Bah, eu preciso aprender inglês. URGENTE!

    Guilherme AngraGuilherme Angra5 tuntia sitten
  • Can care less about a celebrity whose been witness to the depravity and does nothing

    Ryan WilsonRyan Wilson6 tuntia sitten
  • Thank you both gentlemen for every word spoken, everything resonates with me so strongly that I'm crying! I dont seek pity writing that I look back and feel I've been battling evil my whole life even becoming a soldier and after leaving the battles continued, to the point of PTSD for the last 12 years. I have no shame admitting I was beaten by the onslaught and alone completely almost, I never forgot our Father I didn't visit that often I feel fits our relationship. I turned to Our father, Lord Jesus, Holy spirit all Heaven and pleaded to please take me I can't fight anymore the pain and battles was too great. I remembered these words as a child " when you are most broken? Worthy? HE WILL COME!" THEY CAME. I asked only for knowledge and understanding, the next day I experienced a blast of light like a pebble hitting still water, I was blessed im absolutely sure, no doubt. I'm still battling but higher ground, seeing more knowing more the same battles and alone! Alone feeling an overwhelming sense of love I've been denied. I feel like I'm learning a new language? And you gentlemen both speak it. I thank you for giving me a little clarity I'm not fighting alone I never was and I can't lose. Now I visit every day, I feel in love. God bless all.

    Dean FayDean Fay7 tuntia sitten
  • Not 1 Question about the Disgusting Hollywood Machine? I assume... Goodbye Jordan Peterson.. you are my favorite Gatekepper

    ShadowsAndDust 2ShadowsAndDust 27 tuntia sitten
  • Only thing I didn't like about this interview was the editing. I think it would've been better if each person was continuously displayed even when not talking, because I often found the jump cuts visually confusing

    B.E.St.B.E.St.8 tuntia sitten
  • That was amazing! Too bad it was not longer.. :)

    Fredrik DippelFredrik Dippel9 tuntia sitten
  • Peterson looks like he looked into hell and it shook him to the core. However he doesnt seem as incredibly angry as he used to. Of course Mccaughey is a sycophant reason to be angry I guess.

    Jennifer MacKinnonJennifer MacKinnon9 tuntia sitten
  • God he's fried.

    Jennifer MacKinnonJennifer MacKinnon9 tuntia sitten
  • What a great discussion.

    Bobby ShotwellBobby Shotwell11 tuntia sitten
  • beautiful

    ACNACN11 tuntia sitten
  • Really enjoyed this one🔥inspirational

    Monkie MomoMonkie Momo11 tuntia sitten
  • I feel like there is a big need for young/ teenage actors/ tiktokers from Romania. Great job!

    Șerban AcasandreiȘerban Acasandrei12 tuntia sitten
  • Jordan Peterson, How are you doing? Tell me a bit about yourself said, Not Matthew McConaughey

    Brielle HunterBrielle Hunter13 tuntia sitten
  • This comment might get lost but... I was thinking for a long time why Matthew thought his mom was star struck...? That's falling prey to cognitive dissoniance. Did Matthew's other brothers work as hard as him? And if they did work as hard as him, is it not possible they would be in a comparatively better position than one they are in now? What you do is who you are. Is it not possible his mom loved him more than his brothers because of the hardworking man he grew up to be rather than the fame he accumulated from it?

    Muhammad SuhaibMuhammad Suhaib13 tuntia sitten
  • Jordan, you are a master. But let the goddam guy talk

    Hugo BattiniHugo Battini13 tuntia sitten
  • !!!!

    Elijah KiserElijah Kiser13 tuntia sitten
  • Jordan, your messages are exactly what I need to hear right now. You're helping me take responsibility and ENJOY taking responsibility for what I need to change in my life. I love the way you deliver your insights...(paraphrasing) "You're doing things you shouldn't be doing? Don't do them for a year and see what your life is like." Straight-forward, and really, no hint of judgment in your statements-only truth. Very grateful. Thank you.

    Lauren MudrockLauren Mudrock13 tuntia sitten
  • That was great! Going to get both books!

    Carpe Diem FlyerCarpe Diem Flyer14 tuntia sitten
  • So glad to see Jordan Peterson back from all his trials and tribulations of the last year. Thankful to hear his voice and incite.

    Jake StorrerJake Storrer14 tuntia sitten
  • Welp there goes Matthews Hollywood friends lol he keeps talking that sense with people and no more jobs for u lol Hollywood is so sick

    Shenandoah CraveyShenandoah Cravey14 tuntia sitten
  • Two of the best!

    Justin S.Justin S.15 tuntia sitten
  • 53:45 Father

    bob1881bob188115 tuntia sitten
  • Matthew, are you sane?

    Rockin' RolandRockin' Roland16 tuntia sitten
  • I absolutely need an interview between Jordan Peterson and Norm MacDonald.

    Dave MooreDave Moore16 tuntia sitten
  • most of this video is jordan trying to interpret mathew so we can understand him

    Brent GorusBrent Gorus16 tuntia sitten
  • LEGENDARY! I cannot say how much I enjoyed this. Deeply engaging, honest, thought provoking, inspirational, and soul stirring! Mr. McConaughey is a man of surprising depth. Truly a pleasure to spend time with Jordan and Matthew. I look forward to the next time!

    Heavy JHeavy J17 tuntia sitten
  • "McConaughey is real and always will be real. He has huge heart. The part of Texas I am from, there are no higher compliments.

    Ailsa NiAilsa Ni17 tuntia sitten
  • I greatly appreciate the discernment and honesty and what I take from this interview of both Mr. McConaughey and Dr. Jordan Peterson is acknowledgement of God's manifestation as Jesus Christ in the flesh on Earth and is in control of all things.

    Gary CraigGary Craig17 tuntia sitten
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    shiva Kshiva K18 tuntia sitten
  • Two great geniuses of our time- equal in intelligence

    Cleveland BrownCleveland Brown18 tuntia sitten
  • I think the thing with Matt’s mom seems like something I could also be guilty if, sometimes I just feel so much love fir my daughter I just feel very proud and blessed and being older now, 53, it is hard for me not to be emotional at times, my daughter gets annoyed, because I cry sometimes, mothers can be very emotional about letting go as well when their kids grow up, mostly because they have more time to love them after they are grown and mom is retired, not doing so many things at once like she was when she was raising her kids.

    ElizEliz18 tuntia sitten
  • When you have this level of fame and power (even if you don’t) should not opportunities like this allow for the focus be pulled more on - What can I do for Mali, more than - what can Mali do for me?

    Madhavi TembeMadhavi Tembe18 tuntia sitten
  • Love you guys, kiss kiss 💋

    Pixie DustPixie Dust18 tuntia sitten

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    Pixie DustPixie Dust18 tuntia sitten
  • I could listen to these men rap for hours

    JAWFRĒJAWFRĒ18 tuntia sitten
  • I don't have 1 FRIEND.... SO I KNOW THE FEELING

    Pixie DustPixie Dust19 tuntia sitten

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    Pixie DustPixie Dust19 tuntia sitten
  • If you don't take a RISK you will NEVER KNOW

    Pixie DustPixie Dust19 tuntia sitten

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    Pixie DustPixie Dust19 tuntia sitten
  • I'm CURIOUS and Mischievous like a CAT but LIKE to CURL UP and go to SLEEP

    Pixie DustPixie Dust19 tuntia sitten
  • A bigger BATH TUB might be on the SHOPPING LIST

    Pixie DustPixie Dust19 tuntia sitten
  • Covid not so bad, STAYING in IS PLEASING

    Pixie DustPixie Dust19 tuntia sitten
  • Oh Shit turn the YACHT around unless you wanna FLOW single

    Pixie DustPixie Dust19 tuntia sitten

    Pixie DustPixie Dust19 tuntia sitten
  • That was so refreshing and charming as well. All I can say is- thank you.

    nonakindnonakind21 tunti sitten
  • Looking at the thumbs, do you guys realize NO DISLIKES? INCREDIBLE!

    Janet from Central CaliforniaJanet from Central California22 tuntia sitten
  • I am listening to Greenlights in my vehicle on the way home, great book!! Thank you Matthew for making it an audio book!!

    Terri HintzTerri Hintz22 tuntia sitten
  • I think it might be the age, 50, or the numbers nearest, that demand a clarity of direction. Where you came from, where you are, and where you are headed. I have been blessed with outstanding parents, cursed with a sibling who was, has and is hateful towards me. So now what? Parents are gone and I am left with only memories, which plague almost every decision I make. My litmus test. So how many choices are truly mine? How do I navigate life without undying parental support? It's difficult to distinguish between what I think Mom and Dad would want for me and what I want for me. Or is there a distinction? Yes, solitude in the desert would be a answer for some. Of course I have solitude thrust upon me daily, and still clarity eludes me. It's a very different challenge, no defined enemy to defeat. I think listening to the two of you has made my internal struggle not an oddity. Who would of thought I would see common ground with twi people so removed from my own life? Unfortunately I did not journal my journey, instead it's all a jumble, and it's like reaching blindly into a sack ti find relevant experiences to fit whatever issue may need thoughtful contemplation. Struggle defines my life as of late. This was helpful.

    Janet from Central CaliforniaJanet from Central California22 tuntia sitten
  • i'd like to see him make a sammich, as he says....

    MGTVMGTV22 tuntia sitten
  • I am not a fan of Hollyweird or much that comes out of it, but this was a genuine interview with two genuine gentlemen!

    James PeersJames Peers22 tuntia sitten
  • It is so refreshing to listen to a normal guy talking normal guy stuff! Sanity - it is reassuring that manly men still do exist and have a voice!

    Lilian ZieglerLilian Ziegler23 tuntia sitten
  • Have been following Jordan for sometime. Of course this interview didn't appear on my recommendation list until just now. Thanks FIstart for nothing!

    Johannes SpanjerJohannes Spanjer23 tuntia sitten
  • True Detective season 1 was the greatest television of all time.

    Joey Battlefieldv2Joey Battlefieldv223 tuntia sitten
  • An alberta boy :)) Lord Blesss Dr Jordan B Peterson

    MacPhers0nMacPhers0nPäivä sitten
  • I really enjoyed the firetruck story. Great interview.

    Mathew RenyMathew RenyPäivä sitten
  • Please post content to your Rumble channel. Thanks!

    JackieJackiePäivä sitten
  • A bright spot in a dark year.

    Glynn ErasmusGlynn ErasmusPäivä sitten
  • Wow, there’s always been that something that has pushed me to sort of “follow” Matthew McConaughey; in a very loose sense of the word. Yet, he is one of “my guys”, as my husband puts it. This proved why I’ve always felt attracted to hear what he had to say. It wasn’t the pretty boy romcoms that made me a fan, Mud, Bernie, and others such as these were what made me say: yes, it goes deeper. Thank you Mr. Peterson for this inspiring, deep, yet heartfelt and insightful interview. Just loved watching you both.

    Nancy RodriguezNancy RodriguezPäivä sitten
  • Listening to these two intelligent individuals will make you grow as a person.

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    OprahsKanklesOprahsKanklesPäivä sitten
  • Mr Peterson I am glad that you received help in my hometown Belgrade. Wish you all the best!

    readbeforeyouaskreadbeforeyouaskPäivä sitten
  • Jp: “We started to communicate a year ago.”.......and sir you woke him up to his humanity! God Bless You!

    Missi CalveyMissi CalveyPäivä sitten
  • great to see you back and in good health.

    sun0369sun0369Päivä sitten
  • So while I found it difficult to follow Matthew's roller coaster of thought, it was really nice to see him honestly and deeply wrestle with life, goodness and meaning. It will be the honest, those who have wrestled with the angel so to speak, and discovered their name along the way that will pull civilization to its next stage. Good for them both! I pray I can follow suit!

    Victoria O'DonnellVictoria O'DonnellPäivä sitten
  • Seems like a good guy but ok he went on a sabbatical to find happiness in life...well, he's a rich celeb with a model wife and was basically a teenage actor. I'd be happy in life too.

    ShinethelightShinethelightPäivä sitten
  • It's funny that McConaughey is known for portraying somewhat shallow and vapid characters. Yet, he is one of few Hollywood actors that can string together intelligent thoughts. Probably because he decided to NOT live in Hollywood and be totally consumed by its toxicity. His role in Interstellar is one of my favorites of his. Especially his parent-teacher conference. I identify with this character as an engineer who challenges the uneducated Educators. My other favorites are The Wolf of Wall Street, Dallas Buyer's Club, True Detective, Two for the Money, Sahara, and U-571.

    Pwj579Pwj579Päivä sitten
  • Jesus Jordan, can youtube recommend me something else for once? hanging out with the kippah gang sure helped in getting your stuff promoted huh? big rebel

    bingo bongobingo bongoPäivä sitten
  • Thank you

    Mike KellyMike KellyPäivä sitten
  • What did the pharmaceutical industry do to this man? He's still a genius but his doctor must be responsible for limiting his functionality, you can easily see it in Peterson's eyes. I've seen worse but it's that semi-labotomised look, and if benzo's did that it should be a good example of why nobody ever needs those things.

    Chowder headChowder headPäivä sitten
  • Happy happy happy i am after watching two men i admire run stuff past each other

    Shepherd _Shepherd _Päivä sitten
  • Matthew is quickly becoming my favourite celeb

    Kevin HKevin HPäivä sitten
  • I watched this for a while, looking for the profundity that others apparently see, but mainly what I saw was charisma and style over substance. He's an actor. Nothing more. He uses a lot of words to say very little.

    countermooncountermoonPäivä sitten
    • That's Obama

      duncan hillduncan hillPäivä sitten
  • Fantastic ❤️

    paul mawsonpaul mawsonPäivä sitten
  • Lunch lady

    barbara jockersbarbara jockersPäivä sitten
  • What an amazing and beautifully enlightening interview that was. The way I see life is that we must strive to be the best that we can be with all of our flaws and do that for the betterment of ourselves and others. Forget all of the noise around you, the only thing that matters is the integrity of your intent and actions. Good people will judge you accordingly and the rest don't matter. Thank you Jordan and Matthew.

    Graham SerleGraham SerlePäivä sitten
  • Normal People: Whats so funny, huh? JBP: What strikes you as comical about that?

    Jedi MindtrickJedi MindtrickPäivä sitten
  • I read 12 rules of life last year and i was horrified and mesmerised both. The writing is terrible, painful to read but the message is over and above so original. There is a goodness that is there in your writing. The best way I would describe you, Mr P is by saying that you are the father I never had and probably should have. In the audiobook when you cried about your friend's dying, I found tears forming in my own eyes. I was walking to the gym and crying and it was cathartic, memorable, moment-in-life rewarding. I learned so much but just don't ask me what I learned.

    Kanwar AnandKanwar AnandPäivä sitten
  • A real treat cheers lads

    Geraldine DennisGeraldine DennisPäivä sitten
  • glad that Dr. Peterson is back. The interview was awesome and I really wanna read Green Lights now ❤

    Ursula porageUrsula poragePäivä sitten
  • This was beautiful interview. Thank you gentlemen for your insights.

    Ali AlmuhannaAli AlmuhannaPäivä sitten
  • 😄😄😄😊

    Lori BLori BPäivä sitten
  • Yay! Two of the coolest people.

    Matthew EarlMatthew EarlPäivä sitten
  • This host sucks.

    ty sinty sinPäivä sitten
  • If the host don't do messed up things to children and live a secret dark life then my abilities are not what they used to be.

    ty sinty sinPäivä sitten
  • I'm sorry, but it's so funny having seen Mr. McConaughey outdoors and then suddenly seeing him indoors :-D

    Ali AlmuhannaAli AlmuhannaPäivä sitten